Links relevant to this subject:
- Notice of Disassociation
- The Original Insult
- The Talk-down and severing of ties
- The Continuing soap opera
NOTICE OF DISASSOCIATION WITH MARK VENTIMIGLIA
Mark Ventimiglia is claiming to speak for all Seax-Wica. This is not the case because:
- Part of the self-dedication and initiation reads;
“Well do I know the creed: That if I do not have that spark of love within me, then will I never find it without.
Mark only loves himself and his own ideas!
- “As the wine (Ale) drains from the Horn so shall the blood drain from my body should I do aught to harm the Gods or THOSE IN KINSHIP WITH THEIR LOVE”.
Mark has harmed a great deal of folk in kinship with their love, specifically spurning and “casting out” those initiated Seax-Wicans who happen to be homosexual as well, as (he states) “homosexuality is an abomination of nature and those who are homosexual are abominations themselves”. He has stated they are not “True” Seax-Wicans.
- The Priest/ess says: “Know then, that in all things ARE WE EQUAL. In all things do we seek for the good and love of all.”
Mark is a bigot and anti-Gay Gesith. He has tried to force his personal opinion as standard Seax-Wican dogma. There for we can conclude that Mark Ventimiglia has never been “self dedicated” or Initiated into Seax-Wica.
- On his web site there was a picture of Mark in a “BUFFALO SKIN” I have emails from him about the skin, if Mark is so anti-Blot (sacrifice) that even the eating of meat is wrong and cruel, for all people, not just Seax-Wicans and not just himself, how can he wear the skin of an animal “MURDERED” (his words) for its pelt? This is totally hypocritical and false.
Be it known that Mark Ventimiglia does not speak for the Seax Wica community he speaks only for himself.
Be it known that Mark Ventimiglia does not represent Seax-Wica nor does he have any authority over those who are Seax-Wican, despite any claims to the contrary that he may make.
Be it known that we feel that this “appointment” of Mark Ventimiglia to the position of “Stieward” (Head) of Seax-Wica by Raymond Buckland to be a forgery, although the facts are being checked.
Be it known that we have tried to help Mark see reason in these matters
Be it known that Mark has persisted in these views, so antithetical to the declared position of Seax-Wica
Be it known that while personal opinions and positions will be tolerated from individuals, those in positions of leadership should be moderate in their speech and manner, tolerant of that which they find strange and “wrong”, for all are equal to each other
For giving mortal insult to others of our path,
For passing judgment in public manner on private affairs,
For assuming authority that is not rightfully his,
For giving grave insult to those whom he should show compassion toward
For placing personal views above the Rede
We the undersigned of the United Kingdom and United States Covens and Solitaries totaly disassociate ourselves from this man, who calls himself the “Stieward of Seax-Wica” and anything to do with him. His actions have placed himself outside the kinship of Seax-Wica, and outside the Love of Woden and Freya.
Enacted this day, August 17, 2003 of the Current Era.
Sean Percival high Priest of Seax Wica, together with the Coven of the Spial Seax, Oldbury, UK.
Daven, High Priest of Seax-Wica, The House of the Morning Star (Daven’s Journal)
Theressa, High Priestess, The House of the Morning Star (Daven’s Journal)
Kevin Swaney HearthFyre Coven
Permission to pass this around as needed to any group or publication is herby granted, so long as none of this is altered in any way, other than to add signatories. For further information, please contact those listed above at their websites for further information.
For more evidence as to the causes of this action, please see this set of resources.
The following is from Raymond Buckland.
I am shocked and amazed – Thanks for advising me. I’ve checked out the site. I have indeed appointed Mark is Stiweard for Seax-Wica and where he goes with it now is up to him. I have to say that I don’t agree with him on all his points. For example, personally I have no quarrels with homosexuals; I made that clear many many years ago on the front page of the late Herman Slater’s newsletter. Wicca is a religion with covens that are autonomous, so what prevails in one does not necessarily prevail in another. Mark has made his “proclamation” but it is still up to the individual covens and Solitaries to follow the path which is right for them. All Wiccan traditions have variations within their ranks and I’m sure Seax-Wica is not alone in that. I would say, follow your heart and may the Lord and the Lady be with you.
In love and light
Further contact 8-21-03
I originally created Seax-Wica as a personal form of the Old Religion, just for my own use. Word got out and soon a number of people were asking for copies of what I was doing, feeling that this was what they were looking for also. So I was persuaded to publish The Tree. Since that time – back in the early 1970s – it has proven to be the right material for many people around the world, and I’m very gratified. I tried to teach it on a personal level for a while, but that soon got out of hand. My main role in life, I feel, is as a writer and hence as a teacher. Anything that took away from my writing had to take second place. This is not to say that Seax-Wica took second place in my life (far from it!) only that it’s teaching and formal handling had to. But as written (and I saw no need to write further on what I had offered), it was self-sustaining. It was a form of the religion that could be used by individuals and also by covens. But covens, as in all of Wicca, are autonomous. There was, and is, definitely no hierarchy to Seax-Wica. In fact the abuse of hierarchy that I had seen in other traditions was one of the things that prompted its founding.
In later years Michael Smith took it upon himself to produce a home study course in Seax-Wica. It was a good course, I felt, and it was good for me to be able to refer the (many) queries I got, to him. As he took more of the weight of correspondence, I decided to name him Stiweard, or steward of Seax-Wica, since he was doing the job of a steward. It was a title with no substance, but it meant that I could retire from active, public life (still very much practicing privately, of course) and concentrate on my writing, yet give him some sort of authority to answer letters, etc., on my behalf.
Michael handled the job well for over seven years. It might be mentioned (though it shouldn’t have to be) that Michael was/is a homosexual. From the beginning the Seax-Wica “policy” has been to embrace all, regardless of race, color, sexual preference, or whatever. In fact I made a statement to that effect on the front page of the late Herman Slater’s old magazine Earth Religion News.
Michael finally had to give up his activities because of bad health and various personal reasons. Recently, having had a lot of correspondence from Mark Ventimiglia, I found him to be a very dedicated Wiccan with emphasis on Seax-Wica. It occured to me to ask him to take over the position of Stiweard. On reflection, this was probably totally unnecessary since the position is really unnecessary. In fact, as has been seen, Seax-Wica has continued well with no one in that position for the past three years. (I’m proving here that one is never too old to learn . . . meaning me!) Anyway, I did that and Mark, one might say, ran with it!
I still believe that Mark is a basically good man and there is no doubt of his depth of feeling for Seax-Wica. Not to take away from that, I think he was possibly overwhelmed by events to the point of issuing proclamations and naming Eorls of both the US and the UK. In doing the latter he was basically creating a hierarchy, which was what the Seax-Wica was against in the first place. Anyway, Mark has recognized the flurry of anger and confusion that has come about and has gracefully stepped down from the position. (Let me say that I will not be naming anyone else to any other position in the future!)
I must address one other point that Mark brought up, that caused some controversy. That was the subject of animal sacrifice. To my mind animal sacrifice has NO place in Wicca, which is a religion based on love of all life. However, I recognize that certain peoples have such sacrifice as part of their heritage. I am thinking of Vodoun, and Santeria. These people are not Wicca, so obviously we cannot force our views on them. I am unfamiliar with this group called Theodsic. If indeed they practice animal sacrifice, to my mind they are not true Wicca — but that’s only my personal opinion, which I wouldn’t try to force on them (especially without knowing the details of their beliefs).
I hope this overview has helped clear the air somewhat. I hate to see antagonism between people and especially between Wiccans. Heal the wounds. Send out love. And walk with Woden and Freya.
In love and light – Raymond Buckland, Faeder (meaning “father” in the sense of “founder”).
And the soap goes on…. Update: 10-27-03